Comments on: Toward a New Way of Seeing Dogs http://naturaldogtraining.com/articles/toward-a-new-way-of-seeing-dogs/ Official Natural Dog Training Website Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:55:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: kbehan http://naturaldogtraining.com/articles/toward-a-new-way-of-seeing-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-2004 kbehan Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:03:29 +0000 http://naturaldogtraining.com/?p=155#comment-2004 The article doesn't exclude the great cats. As stated, predators that hunt as groups have higher emotional capacity than predators that hunt singly. However, predators that hunt as groups and that cannot physically overpower their prey, have the highest emotional capacity of all. So wolves have higher emotional capacity than lions, cheetahs, cougars and so on. Why? Because they must con-fuse their prey in order to have success given that they can't physically overpower them. Thus they bring an intense emotional charge to bear on the formation, or the formidable being, and if it crumbles under the load, i.e. its capacity is breached, then it runs. From the network's point of view, the prey in essence kills its "self." This is why the wolf style of hunting produced the domesticated dog. Man's culture did not, it merely amplified what was already present and fully evolved. The article doesn’t exclude the great cats. As stated, predators that hunt as groups have higher emotional capacity than predators that hunt singly. However, predators that hunt as groups and that cannot physically overpower their prey, have the highest emotional capacity of all. So wolves have higher emotional capacity than lions, cheetahs, cougars and so on. Why? Because they must con-fuse their prey in order to have success given that they can’t physically overpower them. Thus they bring an intense emotional charge to bear on the formation, or the formidable being, and if it crumbles under the load, i.e. its capacity is breached, then it runs. From the network’s point of view, the prey in essence kills its “self.” This is why the wolf style of hunting produced the domesticated dog. Man’s culture did not, it merely amplified what was already present and fully evolved.

]]> By: christine randolph http://naturaldogtraining.com/articles/toward-a-new-way-of-seeing-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-2002 christine randolph Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:21:20 +0000 http://naturaldogtraining.com/?p=155#comment-2002 why would this author exclude feline predators such as lions, cheetah etc. obviously these animals also hunt in packs and also hunt prey that can kill them if the opportunity arises. why would this author exclude feline predators such as lions, cheetah etc. obviously these animals also hunt in packs and also hunt prey that can kill them if the opportunity arises.

]]> By: EmD http://naturaldogtraining.com/articles/toward-a-new-way-of-seeing-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-31 EmD Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:50:09 +0000 http://naturaldogtraining.com/?p=155#comment-31 That was a funny article (the BBC doggy guilt story). If you do not judge your dogs behaviour to be bad, he cannot do anything wrong. When I have this attitude, we are not in conflict. Only when I allow fear that he will do something that will inconvenience me to enter my mind will he do something I don’t want him to - like avoid me when I need to leash him for the last part of our walk. He is a teenager at around 20 months but he is outstanding and mostly I can slip the lead on and he does not even notice it. It is not that he does not want to be on the leash, I put out energy that makes him run when I let worry enter my mind. Dogs do express emotions on their faces. I have many photos of my dog with a look of sheer joy on his face as he runs on the beach. It is in his eyes, on his face and in his entire physical attitude. I happily found natural dog training before I got my pup. I was looking into training methods and was disturbed by what I found. After much looking I found your web site and consequently your book. That was hard to follow for someone who has never trained a dog but the principals came through. Worked with LCK for a little while to iron out some kinks. I do not train so much but I work on respecting and trusting the emotional connection between us and work with that. Em That was a funny article (the BBC doggy guilt story).

If you do not judge your dogs behaviour to be bad, he cannot do anything wrong. When I have this attitude, we are not in conflict. Only when I allow fear that he will do something that will inconvenience me to enter my mind will he do something I don’t want him to – like avoid me when I need to leash him for the last part of our walk. He is a teenager at around 20 months but he is outstanding and mostly I can slip the lead on and he does not even notice it. It is not that he does not want to be on the leash, I put out energy that makes him run when I let worry enter my mind.

Dogs do express emotions on their faces. I have many photos of my dog with a look of sheer joy on his face as he runs on the beach. It is in his eyes, on his face and in his entire physical attitude.

I happily found natural dog training before I got my pup. I was looking into training methods and was disturbed by what I found. After much looking I found your web site and consequently your book. That was hard to follow for someone who has never trained a dog but the principals came through. Worked with LCK for a little while to iron out some kinks. I do not train so much but I work on respecting and trusting the emotional connection between us and work with that.

Em

]]> By: Lee Charles Kelley http://naturaldogtraining.com/articles/toward-a-new-way-of-seeing-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Lee Charles Kelley Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:43:14 +0000 http://naturaldogtraining.com/?p=155#comment-30 I agree with Kevin. I read the full article and in it the author says, "An interesting possibility is that dogs who had been through obedience training have more fully internalized the importance of obeying commands, and would, therefore, show more submissive behaviours generally." So this study is a step in the right direction, but we've still got a long way to go. LCK I agree with Kevin. I read the full article and in it the author says, “An interesting possibility is that dogs who had been through obedience training have more fully internalized the importance of obeying commands, and would, therefore, show more submissive behaviours generally.”

So this study is a step in the right direction, but we’ve still got a long way to go.

LCK

]]> By: kbehan http://naturaldogtraining.com/articles/toward-a-new-way-of-seeing-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-29 kbehan Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:22:51 +0000 http://naturaldogtraining.com/?p=155#comment-29 Hi Max, thanks for the link. This is my take. Science criticizing owners for projecting guilt on their dog's face, while they are right, is however like the proverbial kettle calling the pot black. Apparently it's all right for science to project thoughts of dominance, submission, threat, territoriality and the like onto the minds of animals, they just don't want owners to do so. So my goal with this web site is to help people see dogs in a new way, learning to go-by-feel rather than projecting thoughts. Thanks for your input and I trust I addressed your point. Hi Max, thanks for the link. This is my take. Science criticizing owners for projecting guilt on their dog’s face, while they are right, is however like the proverbial kettle calling the pot black. Apparently it’s all right for science to project thoughts of dominance, submission, threat, territoriality and the like onto the minds of animals, they just don’t want owners to do so. So my goal with this web site is to help people see dogs in a new way, learning to go-by-feel rather than projecting thoughts. Thanks for your input and I trust I addressed your point.

]]> By: Max http://naturaldogtraining.com/articles/toward-a-new-way-of-seeing-dogs/comment-page-1/#comment-20 Max Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:21:22 +0000 http://naturaldogtraining.com/?p=155#comment-20 Hi Kevin, I just saw this article (that I link below) today at the BBC website, then I read your today's post, and I thought there is some sort of connection with what you say. In case you haven't seen it, hope you find it interesting. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/8096912.stm Best regards, Max. Hi Kevin,

I just saw this article (that I link below) today at the BBC website, then I read your today’s post, and I thought there is some sort of connection with what you say. In case you haven’t seen it, hope you find it interesting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/8096912.stm

Best regards,
Max.

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