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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://naturaldogtraining.com/blog/review-of-neils-dvd-review/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think of Natural Dog Training as a philosophy, you&#039;re way ahead of the game. I think it&#039;s meant to teach you what&#039;s really going on with your dog, so that you WON&#039;T need to research every little thing s/he does. The core principles can answer everything.

Both these blogs are great. One chronicles what it&#039;s like trying to find the right method

http://baddoglaszlo.blogspot.com/

and this one is more puppy specific:

http://hero.naturaldogtraining.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think of Natural Dog Training as a philosophy, you&#8217;re way ahead of the game. I think it&#8217;s meant to teach you what&#8217;s really going on with your dog, so that you WON&#8217;T need to research every little thing s/he does. The core principles can answer everything.</p>
<p>Both these blogs are great. One chronicles what it&#8217;s like trying to find the right method</p>
<p><a href="http://baddoglaszlo.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://baddoglaszlo.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>and this one is more puppy specific:</p>
<p><a href="http://hero.naturaldogtraining.com/" rel="nofollow">http://hero.naturaldogtraining.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: kbehan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remember to question authority, let your dog teach you what&#039;s going on and then you can become your own expert. Good luck, Kevin</description>
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		<title>By: Lee Charles Kelley</title>
		<link>http://naturaldogtraining.com/blog/review-of-neils-dvd-review/comment-page-1/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Charles Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always do phone sessions.

LCK</description>
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<p>LCK</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All well and good, but I came here trying to figure out if Neil&#039;s DVD would help me train my puppy.  Since I don&#039;t live in NYC, Maine, or CA, I guess I&#039;ll have to use a positive reinforcement trainer.  I&#039;m sure I can&#039;t learn it all from books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and good, but I came here trying to figure out if Neil&#8217;s DVD would help me train my puppy.  Since I don&#8217;t live in NYC, Maine, or CA, I guess I&#8217;ll have to use a positive reinforcement trainer.  I&#8217;m sure I can&#8217;t learn it all from books.</p>
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		<title>By: christopher</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came accross kevin&#039;s book several years ago looking for a solution for jumping up since no other method ever seemed to help much. whenever I worked with dogs I always tried to think opposites, chase a dog, they run away. run from a dog, they chase you, push a dog, away they try to get closer so this solution made sense to me. when I adopted my present dog, a lab mix I taught her to jump on me with the &quot;hup&quot; command.  She is three now and she is the first dog I ever had that does not jump up on friends, children, strangers, or me. Now maybe I just got lucky but this has made me a believer of NDT. I am looking forward to the DVD&#039;s.  I do have a question in regards to the training of service dogs since I live near a Seeing Eye training facility. What is the current method of training these dogs? Is there a high failure rate in training? for example for every 10 dogs in the program how many do not make the grade. Would NDT be helpful to these type of dogs?
thanks 
christopher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came accross kevin&#8217;s book several years ago looking for a solution for jumping up since no other method ever seemed to help much. whenever I worked with dogs I always tried to think opposites, chase a dog, they run away. run from a dog, they chase you, push a dog, away they try to get closer so this solution made sense to me. when I adopted my present dog, a lab mix I taught her to jump on me with the &#8220;hup&#8221; command.  She is three now and she is the first dog I ever had that does not jump up on friends, children, strangers, or me. Now maybe I just got lucky but this has made me a believer of NDT. I am looking forward to the DVD&#8217;s.  I do have a question in regards to the training of service dogs since I live near a Seeing Eye training facility. What is the current method of training these dogs? Is there a high failure rate in training? for example for every 10 dogs in the program how many do not make the grade. Would NDT be helpful to these type of dogs?<br />
thanks<br />
christopher</p>
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		<title>By: kbehan</title>
		<link>http://naturaldogtraining.com/blog/review-of-neils-dvd-review/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>kbehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the questions. Please see the link below for my answers. 

http://naturaldogtraining.com/blog/marks-questions/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the questions. Please see the link below for my answers. </p>
<p><a href="http://naturaldogtraining.com/blog/marks-questions/" rel="nofollow">http://naturaldogtraining.com/blog/marks-questions/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am enjoying reading this comparison of learning theories btw natural dog training and behaviorism. Some interesting perspectives from both sides and good to see it has kept civil. A couple of questions Kevin. I think you mentioned previously that when the moose calls the wolves always come running. Can you explain that a bit further? How does the moose call and why do the wolves always come running?

Also you said &quot;since there is only one emotion, only one want and only one drive&quot;. I take it this is the drive to make contact?  

Also if food does not work as reinforcer, via operant conditioning, in teaching and rewarding behaviour i.e. a simple sit, why and how does the dog happen to end up learning the correct response to the command?

You also said &quot;Dogs seemingly become non-food motivated, even though all healthy puppies are obviously food motivated, only because they go on to experience during the course of their maturation other forms of resistance that then become their definition of aligning within a group&quot;. What sort of resistance do they go onto experience? How do these experiences affect a pups development? What do you think about the critical or sensitive socialisation periods and what is natural dog trainings thoughts and processes on raising a puppy?

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am enjoying reading this comparison of learning theories btw natural dog training and behaviorism. Some interesting perspectives from both sides and good to see it has kept civil. A couple of questions Kevin. I think you mentioned previously that when the moose calls the wolves always come running. Can you explain that a bit further? How does the moose call and why do the wolves always come running?</p>
<p>Also you said &#8220;since there is only one emotion, only one want and only one drive&#8221;. I take it this is the drive to make contact?  </p>
<p>Also if food does not work as reinforcer, via operant conditioning, in teaching and rewarding behaviour i.e. a simple sit, why and how does the dog happen to end up learning the correct response to the command?</p>
<p>You also said &#8220;Dogs seemingly become non-food motivated, even though all healthy puppies are obviously food motivated, only because they go on to experience during the course of their maturation other forms of resistance that then become their definition of aligning within a group&#8221;. What sort of resistance do they go onto experience? How do these experiences affect a pups development? What do you think about the critical or sensitive socialisation periods and what is natural dog trainings thoughts and processes on raising a puppy?</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: kbehan</title>
		<link>http://naturaldogtraining.com/blog/review-of-neils-dvd-review/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>kbehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I promulgate an energy theory for behavior is that from my way of looking at things, nothing about dogs fits into modern behavioral science and I hope I have begun to establish this in the section “why-dogs-do-what-they-do.” I don’t want to veer too far off topic, but I would like to point out again that biology does not have a coherent model for such fundamentals as sexuality, personality, and even emotion so we shouldn’t be assured that it has the phenomenon of learning nailed down either. Whereas in an energy theory, emotion begets sexuality, sexuality begets personality, all of which is in service to “learning” how to resolve unresolved emotion according to a “principle of emotional conductivity.” (In an energy model each phenomena elaborates out of the other. The higher a species emotional capacity, the higher its sexual/sensual capacity and the more personality it exhibits. Therefore one can discern a dog’s personality at a hundred yards and in an instant whereas one has to be highly attuned to other species and for longer periods of time in order to divine their specific “personality” characteristics.) 

But back to learning: the discussion on my site about eye contact, which is a technique I introduced to a competitive dog training club in Houston in 1992 and I doubt there are any instances of this method being used before this time because in those days trainers were spitting hot dogs from their mouths, is a case in point. (It’s also an example of how a new theoretical understanding can indeed lead to a practical application.) In seconds one can induce a dog to fixate on their eyes without any learning whatsoever because, in contravention to behavioral science, nature is not organized at random and animals don’t figure things out according to reinforcements. Therefore we can postulate an absolute rule of learning no matter the context and for every species. The negative is access to the positive. This template is applied to every moment and situation as a framework on which associations are formed in every animal’s mind. The “negative” (or predatory aspect) is physically manifested by the eyes, and if these are “open” it grants access to the “positive” (or preyful aspect) which is physically manifested by anything to do with the body, scents, flesh, blood, musk, symmetrical motion and bulbous shapes. {There is a network of “O Rings” in every animal’s physiology that controls the dilation and circulation of everything, from valves in the heart, gastric juices, veins and arteries, glands, even the pupil of the eye. I propose that this is a whole-body mechanism that is the physiological basis for the principle of emotional conductivity. In the “Clever Hans” horse experiment early in the 20th century, it was finally deduced that the horse didn’t know how to count when it stomped its foot, but was reading the dilation of the pupils of the person presenting it with the addition problem.}The irony is that many trainers now use this eye-contact technique as if it substantiates learning theory, when in fact it stands in abject contravention of the very theory that animals learn by associations. Associations in the way they form have to fit a preconfigured template of negative as access to the positive. I’ve had sensitive dogs walk into my office and bark at the eyes of a dog decal in a window, the electrical socket, cracks in a tile, and the glowing red intake of a wood stove. These particular dogs couldn’t look me in the eye by virtue of their sensitive natures, so they had to find a negative of lesser resistance value to focus on so that they could off/load energy by barking.  
The pushing technique contravenes learning theory as does the eye contacting technique. According to learning theory it should not make a difference to the dog whether or not it is given a treat, or whether the dog pushes in with all its might to get the treat. The reason it matters to the dog however is that while in the former context food could be called a “reward” or “reinforcer” I suppose, but in the pushing context, this triggers the dog’s emotional drive dynamic, and since there is only one emotion, only one want and only one drive (all of which evolved to overcome resistance) it therefore feels to the dog that by making contact with its owner, it is also making contact with whatever would otherwise be a distraction, such as another dog, cat, deer, stranger and so on. Therefore as far as the dog is concerned it is getting what it wants because it’s overcoming resistance and the owner is now being perceived by the dog as THE NEGATIVE-as-access-channel-to-the-positive rather than it being embodied by the eyes of whatever was previously distracting it. Through the push the owner has now become the access channel to the energy stimulated by the distraction, this flow of energy makes the dog want to align with its owner and this urge is in service to the purpose of being in a group in order to overcome higher and higher levels of resistance. Being aligned in a group is the only way to recapitulate the principle of emotional conductivity so that an individual can feel good.
A dog that learns to push-for-food will want food even when previously it would have been uninterested in food when distracted by something. A dog will push for food even when it’s just been fed because it’s not doing the pushing for food per se, anymore than a dog chases a car for its food value, or wolves hunt moose for food given that there are many environments when they are well fed on moles, voles and field mice and there’s no survival need in risking life or limb in engaging a combative, dangerous prey animal, yet they still go after the moose nonetheless.  
	So we could make a test. We could take a dog and determine when its interest in food is outweighed by some distraction. This would establish the intrinsic reward value of food for that particular dog and which in current thinking is said to vary from dog to dog. Then, develop the pushing response and repeat the test and see if it raises the dog’s resistance to being distracted. The so-called reward value hasn’t changed from the perspective of a behavioral scientist, rather the dog has a different relationship to the experience of resistance and this changes the way its emotion boots up internally to categorize its experiences and assign emotional value to things, (i.e. as a ratio of predatory energy relative to preyful energy).  
	We often hear that some dogs aren’t food motivated and yet every dog becomes food motivated after they learn to push for food. This is because overcoming resistance is the one and primary want in the emotional makeup of an animal and once food becomes incorporated into the dog’s experience of its drive dynamic then that which used to inhibit it now arouses it and all of a sudden the dog is hungry when it otherwise would have been shut down. It feels connected to its “self” by virtue of being aligned with its group. Dogs seemingly become non-food motivated, even though all healthy puppies are obviously food motivated, only because they go on to experience during the course of their maturation other forms of resistance that then become their definition of aligning within a group.  
	Finally, we don’t actually eat food, or I should say we don’t fundamentally eat food, for its nutritive value because as I think I mentioned earlier the energetic value of the food isn’t realized until after it’s been digested and yet the pleasure of eating the food (flow) and the experience of satisfaction (wholeness) is concurrent with the eating of the food rather than an actual input of energy derived from eating the food. We fundamentally eat food or look forward to doing anything, for the feeling-of-flow any such action might induce and which then renders a feeling of wholeness. Because the brain-to-gut connection (the alimentary canal is the primary channel for the feeling of flow) is fundamentally concerned with implementing the principle of emotional conductivity, and because emotion becoming-unresolved-and-then-resolved according to this principle immutably renders group organization, this means that an act of ingestion is fundamentally a social act. (Just go on a long fast if you want to experience a sense of profound alienation from those around you. And that the feeling of flow is synonymous with group alignment is most obvious in the litter/mother interactions) Thus, some people get addicted to alcohol or even not eating (anorexia) in order to control the feeling of flow by which they are trying to feel connected. They aren’t able to directly face the resistance that is necessary to overcome in order to actually be connected to the network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I promulgate an energy theory for behavior is that from my way of looking at things, nothing about dogs fits into modern behavioral science and I hope I have begun to establish this in the section “why-dogs-do-what-they-do.” I don’t want to veer too far off topic, but I would like to point out again that biology does not have a coherent model for such fundamentals as sexuality, personality, and even emotion so we shouldn’t be assured that it has the phenomenon of learning nailed down either. Whereas in an energy theory, emotion begets sexuality, sexuality begets personality, all of which is in service to “learning” how to resolve unresolved emotion according to a “principle of emotional conductivity.” (In an energy model each phenomena elaborates out of the other. The higher a species emotional capacity, the higher its sexual/sensual capacity and the more personality it exhibits. Therefore one can discern a dog’s personality at a hundred yards and in an instant whereas one has to be highly attuned to other species and for longer periods of time in order to divine their specific “personality” characteristics.) </p>
<p>But back to learning: the discussion on my site about eye contact, which is a technique I introduced to a competitive dog training club in Houston in 1992 and I doubt there are any instances of this method being used before this time because in those days trainers were spitting hot dogs from their mouths, is a case in point. (It’s also an example of how a new theoretical understanding can indeed lead to a practical application.) In seconds one can induce a dog to fixate on their eyes without any learning whatsoever because, in contravention to behavioral science, nature is not organized at random and animals don’t figure things out according to reinforcements. Therefore we can postulate an absolute rule of learning no matter the context and for every species. The negative is access to the positive. This template is applied to every moment and situation as a framework on which associations are formed in every animal’s mind. The “negative” (or predatory aspect) is physically manifested by the eyes, and if these are “open” it grants access to the “positive” (or preyful aspect) which is physically manifested by anything to do with the body, scents, flesh, blood, musk, symmetrical motion and bulbous shapes. {There is a network of “O Rings” in every animal’s physiology that controls the dilation and circulation of everything, from valves in the heart, gastric juices, veins and arteries, glands, even the pupil of the eye. I propose that this is a whole-body mechanism that is the physiological basis for the principle of emotional conductivity. In the “Clever Hans” horse experiment early in the 20th century, it was finally deduced that the horse didn’t know how to count when it stomped its foot, but was reading the dilation of the pupils of the person presenting it with the addition problem.}The irony is that many trainers now use this eye-contact technique as if it substantiates learning theory, when in fact it stands in abject contravention of the very theory that animals learn by associations. Associations in the way they form have to fit a preconfigured template of negative as access to the positive. I’ve had sensitive dogs walk into my office and bark at the eyes of a dog decal in a window, the electrical socket, cracks in a tile, and the glowing red intake of a wood stove. These particular dogs couldn’t look me in the eye by virtue of their sensitive natures, so they had to find a negative of lesser resistance value to focus on so that they could off/load energy by barking.<br />
The pushing technique contravenes learning theory as does the eye contacting technique. According to learning theory it should not make a difference to the dog whether or not it is given a treat, or whether the dog pushes in with all its might to get the treat. The reason it matters to the dog however is that while in the former context food could be called a “reward” or “reinforcer” I suppose, but in the pushing context, this triggers the dog’s emotional drive dynamic, and since there is only one emotion, only one want and only one drive (all of which evolved to overcome resistance) it therefore feels to the dog that by making contact with its owner, it is also making contact with whatever would otherwise be a distraction, such as another dog, cat, deer, stranger and so on. Therefore as far as the dog is concerned it is getting what it wants because it’s overcoming resistance and the owner is now being perceived by the dog as THE NEGATIVE-as-access-channel-to-the-positive rather than it being embodied by the eyes of whatever was previously distracting it. Through the push the owner has now become the access channel to the energy stimulated by the distraction, this flow of energy makes the dog want to align with its owner and this urge is in service to the purpose of being in a group in order to overcome higher and higher levels of resistance. Being aligned in a group is the only way to recapitulate the principle of emotional conductivity so that an individual can feel good.<br />
A dog that learns to push-for-food will want food even when previously it would have been uninterested in food when distracted by something. A dog will push for food even when it’s just been fed because it’s not doing the pushing for food per se, anymore than a dog chases a car for its food value, or wolves hunt moose for food given that there are many environments when they are well fed on moles, voles and field mice and there’s no survival need in risking life or limb in engaging a combative, dangerous prey animal, yet they still go after the moose nonetheless.<br />
	So we could make a test. We could take a dog and determine when its interest in food is outweighed by some distraction. This would establish the intrinsic reward value of food for that particular dog and which in current thinking is said to vary from dog to dog. Then, develop the pushing response and repeat the test and see if it raises the dog’s resistance to being distracted. The so-called reward value hasn’t changed from the perspective of a behavioral scientist, rather the dog has a different relationship to the experience of resistance and this changes the way its emotion boots up internally to categorize its experiences and assign emotional value to things, (i.e. as a ratio of predatory energy relative to preyful energy).<br />
	We often hear that some dogs aren’t food motivated and yet every dog becomes food motivated after they learn to push for food. This is because overcoming resistance is the one and primary want in the emotional makeup of an animal and once food becomes incorporated into the dog’s experience of its drive dynamic then that which used to inhibit it now arouses it and all of a sudden the dog is hungry when it otherwise would have been shut down. It feels connected to its “self” by virtue of being aligned with its group. Dogs seemingly become non-food motivated, even though all healthy puppies are obviously food motivated, only because they go on to experience during the course of their maturation other forms of resistance that then become their definition of aligning within a group.<br />
	Finally, we don’t actually eat food, or I should say we don’t fundamentally eat food, for its nutritive value because as I think I mentioned earlier the energetic value of the food isn’t realized until after it’s been digested and yet the pleasure of eating the food (flow) and the experience of satisfaction (wholeness) is concurrent with the eating of the food rather than an actual input of energy derived from eating the food. We fundamentally eat food or look forward to doing anything, for the feeling-of-flow any such action might induce and which then renders a feeling of wholeness. Because the brain-to-gut connection (the alimentary canal is the primary channel for the feeling of flow) is fundamentally concerned with implementing the principle of emotional conductivity, and because emotion becoming-unresolved-and-then-resolved according to this principle immutably renders group organization, this means that an act of ingestion is fundamentally a social act. (Just go on a long fast if you want to experience a sense of profound alienation from those around you. And that the feeling of flow is synonymous with group alignment is most obvious in the litter/mother interactions) Thus, some people get addicted to alcohol or even not eating (anorexia) in order to control the feeling of flow by which they are trying to feel connected. They aren’t able to directly face the resistance that is necessary to overcome in order to actually be connected to the network.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Ruth Yasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Ruth Yasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Kelley, you&#039;ve been rude, I&#039;ve told you I don&#039;t need your help and don&#039;t want your help, I posted your booklength comments patiently for a while, in spite of your evident ignorance regarding me and my dog, your inability to read or hear what I am saying and your completely screwed up misstatements about behavior science. I don&#039;t want to argue with you, but you are clearly all excited about arguing with me. Have fun with that. And thanks for directing people to my website.

The reason why something becomes a reinforcer is because of something called &quot;transfer of value.&quot;   If you want to know more about behavior science  (it&#039;s a very rich and growing field) I suggest you subscribe to JABA and JEAB, and check out their websites. Also, here&#039;s a neat article about the &quot;contrast effect&quot; and how it can affect reinforcement value that you might find interesting. http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jeab/articles/2007/jeab-88-01-0131.pdf. 

My point is that I think all the elements in NDT can be explained and proven to work via behavior science research, and why wouldn&#039;t you want to do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Kelley, you&#8217;ve been rude, I&#8217;ve told you I don&#8217;t need your help and don&#8217;t want your help, I posted your booklength comments patiently for a while, in spite of your evident ignorance regarding me and my dog, your inability to read or hear what I am saying and your completely screwed up misstatements about behavior science. I don&#8217;t want to argue with you, but you are clearly all excited about arguing with me. Have fun with that. And thanks for directing people to my website.</p>
<p>The reason why something becomes a reinforcer is because of something called &#8220;transfer of value.&#8221;   If you want to know more about behavior science  (it&#8217;s a very rich and growing field) I suggest you subscribe to JABA and JEAB, and check out their websites. Also, here&#8217;s a neat article about the &#8220;contrast effect&#8221; and how it can affect reinforcement value that you might find interesting. <a href="http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jeab/articles/2007/jeab-88-01-0131.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jeab/articles/2007/jeab-88-01-0131.pdf</a>. </p>
<p>My point is that I think all the elements in NDT can be explained and proven to work via behavior science research, and why wouldn&#8217;t you want to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Ruth Yasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Ruth Yasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Charles Kelley, I didn&#039;t post your comments, because you continue to insist on offering your advice when I haven&#039;t asked for your help, when  I already have a training plan in place that&#039;s working great, and when you know nothing about me or my dog. You&#039;re like a dentist trying to offer advice to a client you&#039;ve never seen. For Sang an excerpt from great little article on &quot;why&quot; something may function as reinforcement in one setting, while not in another. The preference exists partly in &quot;contrast&quot; to other more aversive options. http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jeab/articles/2007/jeab-88-01-0131.pdf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Charles Kelley, I didn&#8217;t post your comments, because you continue to insist on offering your advice when I haven&#8217;t asked for your help, when  I already have a training plan in place that&#8217;s working great, and when you know nothing about me or my dog. You&#8217;re like a dentist trying to offer advice to a client you&#8217;ve never seen. For Sang an excerpt from great little article on &#8220;why&#8221; something may function as reinforcement in one setting, while not in another. The preference exists partly in &#8220;contrast&#8221; to other more aversive options. <a href="http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jeab/articles/2007/jeab-88-01-0131.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://seab.envmed.rochester.edu/jeab/articles/2007/jeab-88-01-0131.pdf</a>.</p>
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