kbehan Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

Finally, due to Pavlovian conditioning, the infant pup is imprinted via associations, that external objects of attraction are synonymous with its physical center of gravity when it hungers for said object. For the rest of its life, projecting the physical cog onto objects via this imprint, is how the principle of emotional conductivity is implemented in complex interactions.

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kbehan Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

Just to follow through on your question "negative grants access to positive? ...sounds like the negative grants dog the access to himself." Yes, those are the same statements. The dog projects its physical center of gravity onto the form of what it is attracted to, and then it wants/needs to reconnect with its "self." It has no idea that the head of the form is connected to the body it's projected into, because it feels what it does on its insides, the thing is inside of it as far as it can experience and make sense of what's happening and the dog can go from two distinct frames of reference (electrical or magnetic) and have two completely different experiences. For example, the fearful dog that is affectionate with a guest in the house as long as they are sitting, but the instant they stand up it attacks. The body of what it desires IS its body as far as it can ever know and its eyes can quite literally disconnect it from its "self." Then if heart runs the show, then physical memory is computed as a lump sum quantitative emotional ballast as counterbalance and they can synchronize because all the variables are now held in a single frame of reference and as one wave form, each the counterbalance to the other, each emotionally inducting energy in the other so that by being in sync they realize more pleasure than they can get by singular action.

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kbehan Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

Right, the more the animal is aroused, the more it is vulnerable as these two are inextricably linked via hunger/balance as source of consciousness, and so the dog focuses on the eyes as the source of the most intense pressure, and therefore that element which must be reconciled in order for it to feel safe to go forward. The reason the hind end isn't connected to the front end is to implement this principle of conductivity, it's the same reason the government doesn't allow us to print our own money, if we had autonomous access to money, then it would be worthless and there couldn't not be an economy. So if animals were independent autonomous entities of consciousness, then there wouldn't be any ecosystems and no evolution. The point in knowing this for training is to remove all the judgments we carry against dogs and which come into play during the course of training, as in the dog "knows" this or that, or is "blowing" us off, or is dominating us or trying to please us, or showing us respect and all of that irrelevant stuff that gets in the way of understanding that dog and owner form one energy circuit. By understanding that the hind/end vs. front/end makeup is an energy circuit, this allows us to master the laws of nature and insert ourselves into the dog's mind as an energy circuit, i.e. be the ground for its energy, according to the principle of emotional conductivity rather than human reason. So the eyes put the dog in touch with its physical center of gravity and all physical memory that has accumulated around it (meanwhile the heart computes the calculus of all this so as to predict where energy is GOING TO BE ) and it experiences that pressure, which can collapse into a state of hunger in best case scenario and dog has a positive experience. The dog's name travels along this subliminal beam actuated by the focus of its handler, and so we see a dog become extremely energized by the sound of its name and yes, this is how it feels whole if it can come into resonance with the source of this pressure. The reason I use food isn't for reinforcement value per se, but to invoke the hunger circuitry so that the dog learns to collapse from front end electrical pressure, to hunger orientation and thereby feel grounded into the source of this energy. And then on a higher level of elaboration, if the hunger orientation is strong enough, the dog can then reference its heart to evoke a UNIFORM state of tension and divine center mass of what it's attracted to in order to conduct the calculus of potential energy, and thus a complex chain of actions that will allow it to not only synchronize, but "anticipate" where energy is going to be. I think you're getting close to understanding how the mind works so Keep On Pushing!

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Adam Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

Ok I think I'm starting to understand better. So the dog or predator searches for the eyes, because it feels that this area resists and reflects energy back upon itself, producing the subliminal beam, and enabling the dog to feel his body. I guess I can relate to this...maybe it's like making eye contact with someone you are attracted to, and feeling a sort of intensity (pressure) inside of you. But the negative grants access to the positive? It sounds like the negative grants the dog access to himself... And I'm a bit unclear about "this means the front end isn't connected to the hind end." Are you saying that the subliminal beam literally travels from front to hind end of the dog's body, connecting him and giving him a feeling of wholeness? Finally...so if this eye contact exercise is done with a dog and food...you are using Pavlovian conditioning to make the dog associate its memories and emotions, (activated through the subliminal beam), with you the owner..? I guess I'm looking for what it accomplishes in training. Understanding the end result might help me with grasping the process behind all of it. Thanks.

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kbehan Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

In other words, the principle of emotional conductivity accounts for the two fundamental questions of survival, What is the prey? and Where is the predator? And then the confluence of these two values via a sensual/sexual nature allows them to elaborate into an infinite gradation of social responses and cooperative teamwork.

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kbehan Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

I never thought of Deja Vu in terms of physical memory but that makes sense, two intensity values match up and one feels as if they have already experienced it. I'm not sure if that is a whole accounting of the phenomenon in humans but it could easily have something to do with it, as in setting the stage for a telepathic occurrence. But I think you're exactly right that this is exactly how the dog feels when it's in a situation that energetically is consonant with a physical memory. He does indeed see, hear, touch, taste what he once saw, heard, touched and/or tasted just as if he is reliving it anew. And yes this consonance is what ties moments together so that the dog feels a pull to his owner every time he approaches the door, the dog feels that by going to the door, he pulls the owner toward him, just as if he were moving a game piece by a magnet held beneath the game board, by going to the door. I think you can see how this is profoundly distinct from conscious, purposeful understanding. For example, the cat has no IDEA how to catch a mouse even if it has caught a thousand of them. All it knows is what it feels. It lays still 100 concentrating on holding the hole in the wall and the void at the pit of its stomach in one frame of reference, and if it can still itself and completely focus on that subliminal beam of Will, then as if by magic the mouse walks into its waiting jaws.

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kbehan Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

If we first look at it from the practical, evolutionary point of view the sense of negative as access to positive becomes obvious, (although that by itself doesn't explain what's going on inside the dog's mind). For example, the predator stalking the prey is 100% aware of where the prey is looking otherwise the prey will run to cover if the predator is detected before close enough to strike. Note how the cat freezes into position when the mouse looks up to scan the horizon. So where the prey looks grants access to the predator to the prey's body. By the same token the prey is 100% aware of where the predator is focused since this is the difference between its life or death as well. How then are these practical benefits executed in the design of the animal mind? The animal mind evolved in accord with the principle of emotional conductivity. Emotion can only move from predator to prey polarity, just as heat can only move from high concentration to less, or electrons to ground, or magnetic north to magnetic south. So if a dog were to make prey on that which doesn't act like prey, then it ends up with more charge than it began with and feels more incomplete than before. Just like a dog can discern by smell which way a track is going, (intensification of scent) he can likewise feel that this kind of behavior is inefficient because he feels more and more electrified and so it's axiomatic that he will become sensitized to the eye of the being to which he feels attracted as the source of this electricity. He will also become sensitized to his physical center of gravity at the moment of birth when he leaves the realm of weightlessness and arrives in the weighted world of planet earth. Thereafter all emotional charge accretes around the physical center of gravity. Nature is digitized in that there is that which absorbs and conducts emotion, the preyful aspect, and this is anything of the body, and then there is that which reflects and resists emotion, the predatory aspect, which is particularly the eyes. When an animal encounters resistance to its expression of emotion into clear, straightforward behaviors, the physical memory of this resistance coalesces around its physical center of gravity due to the split beam of attention mentioned in another post, specifically, the subliminal beam focused on the physical center-of-gravity. IT TAKES AN EXTERNAL TRIGGER TO ACTUATE THIS SUBLIMINAL BEAM. In other words, that which caused the resistance is necessary to activate the memory of resistance and so therefore an individual is innately motivated to study the eyes of other beings (because this resists the projection of emotion and reflects it back, pings a ping right back at it increasing the experience of pressure) for access to their own physical center of gravity and a sense of their own physical body and how it is orienting in time and space. This means that the front end isn't connected to the hind end and so it pivots around the eyes or negative in order to align its self with the object of attraction. (Sensuality allows this principle of emotional conductivity to elaborate to the highest reaches of feeling so as to compose a group mind.) All this maneuvering must subscribe to the principle of emotional conductivity, i.e. become the equal and opposite of what it's attracted to in order for energy to move between them.

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Adam Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

I experienced deja vu today and thought that perhaps physical memory is the mechanism behind this phenomenon. The brain intakes a particular intensity value and this matches up with a similar value in the emotional battery. Thus the person attributes this feeling of familiarity with where they are, who they're with, etc. I was thinking though that how I feel in those moments of deja vu, is how the dog feels when he is remembering something. So in your example of the dog learning that the door leads to going outside and going to the bathroom...eventually after multiple repititions, when he feels the need to go to the bathroom, his physical memory will somehow navigate him towards the door....? Not sure about this here. I'm still confused about how he does all of this without conscious, purposeful understanding.

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Adam Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around the negative as access to the positive. I just don't understand how this mechanism can occur without some sort of means-end reasoning. It reminds of the Premack Principle, whereas the dog does a less desirable behavior (looking into your eyes) in order to achieve a more desirable behavior or reward (getting to eat food). I guess I'm trying to understand exactly how the dog feels after this exercise is complete. When energy is mobilized within him, does he have a conscious recollection of where/what will absorb this energy? Like in the Hessian/Be the Moose video...when he saw that deer, what happened inside his body or mind to direct him towards Kevin?

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christine randolph Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

next: what does all this mean for training the dogs. especially when the dog is fearful of something, the water, a piece of equipment, other people. obviously there is great potential in the fear and what is a humane and result-oriented way to use this potential. real life example, my dog was afraid of the dog walk (a piece of agility equipment) so the trainer and I drag my dog across the dog walk, offering her treats in the process but she will not take food until she is off the equipment. it is quite a long piece of equipment and it takes several minutes to get her across it while she is digging her heels in. we do this twice, she does not improve nor deteriorate, her fear levels stay the same. a week later she is in agility class again, she goes over the dog walk as though she had never done anything else.... in fact she preferred the dog walk to the other equipment and went back to it when left to her own devices. it seemed as though the only thing she remembered was that she had gotten a ton of treats on that piece of equipment. so the stuff that dogs are very afraid of becomes the best emotional release for them and therefore becomes more desirable ? I guess when the fear is all gone and the episode is forgotten, the dogwalk becomes "just another boring piece of agility equipment"? just initially in the short period after the generation of all this fear, the thing is something special to the dog ? Obviously if we force the dog against his.her will we have to be sure of what we doing otherwise we are just another Koehler...but it would be wasteful not to use the energy stored in fear. so, how do i set it up so that it is always a GOOD Fear that actually gets converted into energy more times than not. the dog has to be insanely hungry for one. what other tips do you have ? i want to resolve my dog's fear of water and another dog's fear of the scooter or bicycle and of people overtaking me on bikes and skis at great speed. I want my dogs to jump off a pier (about 1 meter jump). For all these things I have to currently force my dogs against their will.

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christine randolph Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

OK now the dog has decided to interact. how many different types of interaction does NDT differentiate and are they linked to the previous process..i.e. does Kevin postulate that we will NEVER see a full on attack after a displacement response ? even if the object is running ? because this only happens if the small brain is referenced completely from the start ?

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kbehan Stump A Chump

Although the language strikes us as strange, yes, in effect the moose has projected its self into the wolf and wants to reconnect with its "self" as well, everything is a function of attraction. If a hunter surprises a deer in the woods, as soon as it ducks into cover it doubles back into the wind to gain a scent of the hunter, even though it can see it and even though it may have been startled by hunters every hunting season for years.

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kbehan Stump A Chump

The dog feels its "self" in the car, the car doesn't have the feeling however via Pavlovian conditioning, in effect its mass and movement has passed through the "blood/brain" barrier and entered the realm of animal consciousness by virtue of the dog having a feeling in response to the car, and yes every animal wants energy/mass to move, motion of course being inherent in the nature of energy.

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kbehan Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

1) object becomes noticeable to dog (car). ((Yes, its two brains are displaced by the perception of change.)) 2a) dog seeks eye contact (to discern essence, get input required for subsequent brain reconciliation). ((Yes, can't achieve a uniform state of tension without apprehending the negative, i.e. projecting both poles onto a complex form of attraction that offers resistance.)) 2b )If the dog cannot make out any eyes, he/she will pretend they are there. interaction with an animate object is more desirable, hence the dog's propensity is to pretend that the object in questions is animate. ((The dog doesn't pretend, it does see a predatory aspect from basis of physical memory that's called up depending on intensity of resistance being experienced. If the hind end is nonetheless going faster than the front end, it will persist to find a negative around which it can align so that as an access channel it can move the great amount of arousal (hunger/magnetism) it is experiencing.)) 3) dog subconsciously computes value of object. the goal is for the dog to assess if it is safe and possible to release tension by interacting with this object ? ((Right, if dog can feel sensual toward the defined negative as access to positive, because it can hold preyful memory in mind simultaneously with predatory aspect, then it is safe to move at full speed and Big-Brain catches up to little-brain with high energy but precisely directed action.)) 4) the following input goes into this computation: 1. big brain assessment of danger, ((Not danger per se as that is a thought, but balance)) 2. small brain strong and unreflected drive to interact in order to release tension. ((small brain generates a degree of arousal that if it isn't swamped by the dog being open and hence vulnerable to a high rate of change/intensity, then it feels unreflected and grounded.)) 3. hunger circuitry reconciliation mechanism reconciliation between big brain and little brain input. can override big brain risk assessment. high risk = dog has to be more hungry to interact with object. ((Yes as in above, if arousal can remain on line, then vulnerability due to being open is experienced as magnetism, either flipping polarity to connect, or acting ciruitously as a preyful aspect itself which then calms the object of its attraction.)) 4. heart reconciliation mechanism. another reconciliation between big brain and little brain input. only required in situations that are perceived as complex by the dog. ((Right, if the movements or deportment of the complex object reinforce little brain reconciliation, from this degree of groundedness the dog can perceive its heart and uniform state of tension it is generating.)) 5) possible outcomes of the computation: a) no side wins but Big Brain is dominant temporarily. dog does not interact with object but feels too attracted to leave the situation. heart or little brain cannot be referenced at this time. a state of increasing tension. ((Right, then the interaction has an OBVIOUS electrostatic characteristic. If the electrostatic charge is relieved, then the way is often cleared for a magnetic orientation to come forward.)) ongoing "negotiation" until, at some point, one of the below more final states will gain dominance over the mind of the dog. heck and we all just said dogs were not that much into dominance. haha. ((Only if we need them to be.)) b) small brain wins. dog interacts with object. tension is released. emotion is conducted. happy dog. ((Right)) c) no side wins yet but little brain is being referenced, but insufficiently to engage. displacement activity (i.e. eating grass.) eventually little brain gains dominance, dog interacts with object. etc. emotionally satisfying state for the dog. ((Right)) d) Big Brain wins completely, dog runs off from fear and will not return volontarily at this point in time. emotionally not satisfying, unresolved emotion is stored in dog's body/mind continuum for future use. dog not happy but that's life. ((C'est la guerre.)) I think other animals also use eye contact for assessment of situations, but maybe it is not such a major driver as it is for dogs. ((Other animals are not able to kick in the sexual/sensual little-brain hunger dynamic so stay locked in habit/instincts.)) Questions: 1) surely there must be other ways to get a storage of emotional energy into the dog's system other than fear ? not sure what they might be.... ((Emotion is only held back due to fear, no other reason. Emotion can be held back by feeling, but then no unresolved emotion is acquired because the individual is in a state of weightlessness, i.e. resonance.)) 2) about the Heart Black Box: is it that the dog, animal, person sometimes is too unfocussed (scared, blocked..stuck in the big brain ...)to feel the heart beating etc. ? the muscular movements of the heart ? and in those cases the little brain cannot be referenced ? ((Right, if balance is too strong, it swamps the more subtle modes of perception.)) i am not going to go to the group functions yet because first i wanted to see if there is a modicum of correctness in this my understanding which might be too simplistic to meet the mark but definitely all that I am capable of right now... ((Very Good Glasshopper))

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kbehan Two Brain Makeup

I mean that the hind brain can be aroused via hunger at a higher rate than the Big Brain is permitting to allow to go into action, and so literally the rear end moves faster than the front end and so the dog forges in heeling or takes some circuitous path toward an object of attraction just as if it is an electrical particle being magnetically deflected. This reveals the mechanism for synchronization. This is why two dogs will orbit each other and lift their legs before they might play, their hind ends are going faster than their front ends and when they are emotionally synchronized, then the front ends can catch up. When Bootsy "catches your bounce" in heeling then you are synchronized and the front end catches up.

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AZdogerman Two Brain Makeup

What do you mean in the above post by "X end can go faster than Y" end? Are you speaking, literally, about the dogs "ends" as in, front limbs can move faster than hind limbs? Or does "go faster" speak about build up of energy between the brains that then discharges. Does hind end go faster than front end apply to heeling behaviors? I have been working with Bootsy on heeling after I read in one of the comments that "until the dog is properly heeled...don't proceed with ". There is a point where she "locks" in on me and is very tuned to my movement, eyes wide, mouth open, ears cocked back just so. If she isn't locked in all these external indicators disappear. Congrats on the show. I look forward to viewing the pilot and I hope it gets picked up.

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Heather Stump A Chump

That is funny, Chrinstine, my dad just said to me on the way home just now, "people in Alaska are different. They just DO things, they do not have to wait for the right weather." Also my dad just said that what you need to keep a water valve closed is teflon tape, it seals but is still slippery. He also told me a story about his outhouse as a kid, it had a board with different sized holes for different size people to sit on at the same time, his job was to scoop the stuff out with a bucket periodically and put it in the field. He said "if you had that job, wouldn't you want to change? You just do it, to get OUT."

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christine randolph Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

Ha ! yes, this could work... since I am a simpleton, I am leaving out a lot of the intricate stuff and I can come up with this relatively graspable Step By Step. 1) object becomes noticeable to dog (car) 2) dog seeks eye contact (to discern essence, get input required for subsequent brain reconciliation). If the dog cannot make out any eyes, he/she will pretend they are there. interaction with an animate object is more desirable, hence the dog's propensity is to pretend that the object in questions is animate. 3) dog subconsciously computes value of object. the goal is for the dog to assess if it is safe and possible to release tension by interacting with this object ? 4) the following input goes into this computation: 1. big brain assessment of danger, 2. small brain strong and unreflected drive to interact in order to release tension. 3. hunger circuitry reconciliation mechanism reconciliation between big brain and little brain input. can override big brain risk assessment. high risk = dog has to be more hungry to interact with object. 4. heart reconciliation mechanism. another reconciliation between big brain and little brain input. only required in situations that are perceived as complex by the dog. 5) possible outcomes of the computation: a) no side wins but Big Brain is dominant temporarily. dog does not interact with object but feels too attracted to leave the situation. heart or little brain cannot be referenced at this time. a state of increasing tension. ongoing "negotiation" until, at some point, one of the below more final states will gain dominance over the mind of the dog. heck and we all just said dogs were not that much into dominance. haha. b) small brain wins. dog interacts with object. tension is released. emotion is conducted. happy dog. c) no side wins yet but little brain is being referenced, but insufficiently to engage. displacement activity (i.e. eating grass.) eventually little brain gains dominance, dog interacts with object. etc. emotionally satisfying state for the dog. d) Big Brain wins completely, dog runs off from fear and will not return volontarily at this point in time. emotionally not satisfying, unresolved emotion is stored in dog's body/mind continuum for future use. dog not happy but that's life. I think other animals also use eye contact for assessment of situations, but maybe it is not such a major driver as it is for dogs. Questions: 1) surely there must be other ways to get a storage of emotional energy into the dog's system other than fear ? not sure what they might be.... 2) about the Heart Black Box: is it that the dog, animal, person sometimes is too unfocussed (scared, blocked..stuck in the big brain ...)to feel the heart beating etc. ? the muscular movements of the heart ? and in those cases the little brain cannot be referenced ? i am not going to go to the group functions yet because first i wanted to see if there is a modicum of correctness in this my understanding which might be too simplistic to meet the mark but definitely all that I am capable of right now...

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Christine Why Dogs Aren't Stumped By Cars

I like this: "Unlike cats and deer, dogs look into the car because they are able to project their bipolar emotional battery onto its form and this allows them to be able to persist in order to intuit the negative which thereby grants them access to the positive within the form." (I often eat dessert first). The rest of the article will have to wait until I get home; it's an all night head-banger/nail-biter for sure!♥

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Christine Stump A Chump

Hmmmm...it's interesting what you note regarding your daughter. I've said for years now that I have a little furnace inside me (long before perimenopause set in, thank you very much LOL). I could easily live in Alaska (for a BUNCH of reasons)‼ That's also why I have weather proof dogs... Einstein might be right in a big umbrella kind of way; however humans were gifted with free will, which means we can choose to or choose not to cooperate with the Big Umbrella of Universal Consciousness. We can even slipstream in/out...that is, if we're laminar.

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Heather Stump A Chump

So the moose is hunting in reverse, to get its self back.

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Heather Stump A Chump

So the prey needs to "'be' the (diseased) moose" for nature to work. If the prey is not conducting, ie, not acting preylike, it by definition cannot "be" the moose. I was the moose today with Happy. My daughter says she feels hot like 100 degrees all the time. She is such a humongous moose it isn't even funny, no wonder Happy was drawn to her like a moth to a flame...which set into motion my predetermined involvement with NDT. I am going to say that Einstein was right, everything is destined to be, it is fate because waves echo. I wonder what he thought about decoherence.

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kbehan Stump A Chump

Right, the dog must become the emotional counterbalance to a complex object of attraction or else it ends up with more charge no-matter-what-happens and hence, more incomplete. If prey acts like prey, perfect counterbalance. If prey resists acting like prey, sexual energy kicks in by virtue of neotony and it devolves and re-evolves in sympatico with it. So to synchronize it must first divine the negative as connected to the positive.

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Heather Stump A Chump

I think 1 year was the perfect amount of time, thanks ;)

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Heather Stump A Chump

That't it, once the dog accesses its hunger circuitry, the emotional circuit between dog-object of attraction is completed, and what the object (car) is feeling the dog is feeling, which is not a thing. So the dog feels the hind-end going faster than the front end and moves circuitously toward the car. THen the unresolved "charge" that the dog is left with in his Big-brain needs to go to a common ground between the dog-car, and that common ground is the tire - he PEES on the tire. Peeing being the result of an internal wave-like contraction.

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Heather Stump A Chump

Does the dog feel like the car, and can't get energy to "move".

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kbehan Stump A Chump

I'm going to post the article today so that you can see how this squares up with your treatment of the problem. You have all the elements in play, so in this article I think you will be able to see how I tie them together in terms of the car phenomenon I'm alluding to, the emotional battery, neotony, sexuality, alignment, and so on.

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Heather Stump A Chump

And also there would be the possibility of "multiple communication channels," such as people who are having a very emotionally conductive conversation having a place where they can hear the same relaxing music while they communicate. There is a lot of "noise" generated by electrically-charged particles bumping up against each other (that's why all that cross-chatter, newsreels, entertainment news, etc. on Facebook fries the circuits from tuning into the information, super-conductors of emotion get part of it but then can't keep the signal through the noise), an environment for emotionally conductive people needs to resonate so they can align and conduct emotional energy onto one of many possible waves (sound, light, etc.) And ironically the "intellectuals" who would be placing logical, etc. arguments are totally tuned out in a pure emotionally conductive environment, and what does come through is the complex ways their minds have been deceitful. So the point I guess of this is that the mechanics of the model are probably going to remain out of reach of all but some intellectuals (who will be super-combative), but emotionally conductive people, if the noise is reduced enough and the message can travel via a path of alignment, are going to automaticallly get it by "feel." My daughter (who is always dressed in pink) was working on a very complex puzzle today with pictures and words, and I sat with her and asked her how she put the pieces together, and she said in this lilting little voice, "it's easy, mommy, I pick up one, and see what is on it, then I say to myself, 'I WANT the PINK GIRL', and reach into the pile to find one with the horse, then I slide them around 'ALONG THE LINES' to see where they fit. Then I look at them and see what I WANT next." When I asked her what if she can't see what she wants, she said "oh, I just throw back the piece and pick up another one then see what I want on that one." Then she said "mommy, I can't read the words like you can, and I don't really want to read the words, it is so easy the way I do it." And at the end the puzzle was of a pink girl in the middle of a kingdom with fairies and flowers and nature all around her. Wow.

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Heather Stump A Chump

So if what I am perceiving is correct, then if the dog feels "charge" when he encounters and object, he has an awareness that he cannot make contact with this object, and can resolve any interaction with object in a way that doesn't add more "charge" to the object. But if the dog feels "align" when he encounters and object, he knows that that object conducts emotional energy and therefore he can connect with the object to get it to conduct *more* emotional energy, and thus induce in the object the ability to conduct more emotional energy with other dogs. EG, that is why "conductors" of emotional energy (like Christine Randolph ;)) love Facebook, and automatically channel emotional energy from others who are connected to Facebook, even indirectly, and can pick up very, very fine distinctions about where energy is going to be.) When emotional-conductor type people are communicating, eg via Facebook, they are looking into the eyes of the person they are speaking with, and they are conducting emotional energy through that channel. The most important information one could ever hope to envision is not where "energy is going to be," but where energy WAS (the waves of feeling always reflecting) so that energy in the immediate moment can be used 100% efficiently, there is no resistance to overcome, only awareness on the one hand (charge) and emotional momentum building up on the other (align). I wonder how the impact of what everyone is saying would be Amplified if everyone had a picture right next to their words, and how a self-organizing system with no violence (eg,hunting and all the energy going there) could EMERGE. That is emergence theory.

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Heather Stump A Chump

This doesn't really answer the question directly, but it may point me in the right direction in trying to "feel" the energy model. Would you say that in the dog-owner group mind, which is an emotional circuit with a common Will for each member (the owner's Will), that it is possible in some weird phenomenon of quantum physics (I don't understand quantum physics at all) for somehow the dog to automatically know what the owner wants, ie., divine the owner's Will (and I guess if you're religious you could see where the term "divine Will" comes from) simply from perceiving the flow of energy in the emotional circuit according to the energy model? In other words, through a mixup of waveforms occupying the same space at the same "time," the dog somehow gets onto the waveform going in the opposite direction from the waveform that he is normally "reading", and thus everything the owner expresses as a Want in the immediate moment is perceived by the dog as a signal of where energy is going to be? In the group hunting model, where the overarching Will, regulated by Heart, can be traced in a straight line, the dog just being part of the hunt - at the time of the dogs' alignment with a potential prey moose, but *before* the group has gone through these steps of emotional alignment around the prey (as you're talking about here), the simple act of the dog "feeling" how to align per this energy model automatically informs the dog which moose is diseased. Not because it is divining the Will of the group, but because the dog is moving "backward" in time, and focusing on the prey, the moose's action, informs the dog "where energy is going to be" in the model. For example, the diseased moose mooves as the dogs are moving in from a distance, and the first movement of the moosoe (vs. what happens as a result of the cycling of energy through the model via the alignment process) identifies the "charge" or So in the example of the car, the dog in this state who is aligning with the car would see the car stopped, and feel one of two things: either "align", or "this has a charge on it" (the answer you are looking for in this question), but it doesn't inform the dog what to DO prospectively, it informs the dog of the "answer", ie, what happened in the interaction that proceeded according to the Will in the situation (and I use the past tense on purpose, because the waveform the dog isnt adding energy to the waveform that happens after alignment of the dog-car, it is quite literally RECEIVING the REFLECTED waveform that was the result of the dog-car interaction on the forward waveform (waveforms not having a direction, and being able to echo). Then, the dog would automatically act to avoid the car (can't conduct energy) or align with the car (can conduct energy) ON SIGHT, without actually going through the alignment process itself, like energy is moving backwards in time. I am not sure if this makes sense, but does it fit with your energy model in theory?

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Christine Stump A Chump

Hmmmm...dead end for me!

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kbehan Stump A Chump

Well of course it's related, but it's the wrong end.

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Christine Stump A Chump

Wouldn't have to do with tail wagging would it?

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kbehan Stump A Chump

No, it's much more subtle, not an overt behavior per se, but a preliminary manner of orientation from which an action can thus proceed. It's probably been recorded in your mind as something so ordinary and ubiquitous that it doesn't stand out or even seem significant since it's enfolded in what we already think we know about dogs. My point with all this is that the everyday things that dogs do, or the simple facts of their disposition, fall beyond the scope of the current learning theories. I've lived with a number of cats, one of who was always getting into peoples' cars which is probably how he ended up in my neighborhood and we came to adopt him, and yet he didn't exhibit this propensity which is distinctly canine and can give us insight into the intricacies of emotion as the universal operating system of animal consciousness, its workings easiest to see in the ways of dogs given their evolution and domestication which amplified their emotional capacity. I'll post my answer and the implications of it in an article on Saturday. In the meantime, Keep On Pushing!

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christine randolph Stump A Chump

circling for biting the tire ? not all dogs do that though

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Heather Stump A Chump

“Newfoundland dogs are good to save children from drowning, but you must have a pond of water handy and a child, or else there will be no profit in boarding a Newfoundland.” - Josh Billings

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Heather Stump A Chump

This is the Word of God: As it is Now and Forever Shall Be, Dogs Shall Sleep on the Bed (but there shall be no TVs in the bedroom or socks in bed). Thanks be to God. Crying is a wave. Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted. God will wipe away every tear from [our] eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. Thanks be to God. Amen.

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kbehan Stump A Chump

I'm not looking for a theoretical treatment, although the lights of the car is getting closer to the specific behavior I'm talking about.

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Heather Stump A Chump

Aligning according to sexual "poles," the predatory (lights) aspect of the car to the rear of the dog?

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Christine Stump A Chump

...peeing on the tire...sorry, just couldn't resist that one! :)

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kbehan Stump A Chump

Ah yes, circling is definitely related to this behavior I'm searching for, it might be prior to circling or the dog might circle to get in position for .....?

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Heather Stump A Chump

Dogs seem to go around the car, in a circular manner, whereas the cat and the deer assume the "deer in the headlights" stance.

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christine randolph Stump A Chump

hanks for all the positive feedback for previous posts which is surely not deserved, you all make the important observations here not I. however, i find it has been to serious here. to the point where it was actually hilarious...so. i am glad many of you think that too. a dog a cat or a deer...in the driveway... it sounds a bit like a rabbi a priest and a reverend on a plane.. a deer sometimes gets frozen in the headlights, but that would have to be at night ???? a deer sometimes jumps into the car.. never could work out why they do that. just know that 9 times out of 10 the car is no longer driveable afterwards. hence. try to drive VERY SLOWLY so deer can get a chance to simmer down and take the direction of the woods. darn dogs pee on tires is right ! might be only because the door to the car is closed otherwise they would pee into the foot well as happened recently when I left the car door open to unload, and a friend's dog was around... dog peed on the tires of my landrollers too. must be something to do with rubber or maybe i skated through some dog poop without realizing cat. (my cats) cat tries to work out if the bloody dogs are safely contained in the car and then makes for the door to be let into the house and get food. or stands by for the car to stop so he or she can lie on the hood that is warm from the motor what my 3 dogs do dog 1 . jumps up at the driver's side window to greet the driver. dog 2 and 3. sidling along or behind the car, annoyingly mostly in the blind spot (the "Josie Josie come here where i can see you while i am backing out !"- command strangely does not work) why they do that ? because they think i will take them for a little spin around the neighborhood so they can run beside the car for a couple of miles - one of their favourite things to do.... except if it is NOT our driveway and dog 3 feels alienated, he will try to jump into the car through the open window to feel more safe..... which role would neotony play though ? surely this depends on the age of the animal, especially cat and deer, and for the dogs... I read a pug is more neotonous than a greyhound (length of nose.face, i.e. looks more like a baby dog of ANY breed) so are we going to differentiate by breed ? and if a dog (cat deer) has already been struck strongly by a car (as happened recently to my friend who lives by a 110 km per hour highway, the dog actually passed out briefly by the side of the highway after being hit and was dazed and confused for a couple of days afterwards) would an animal thusly preconditioned respond differently especially if this is a recent incident ? I the heck do not know... i think most dogs who have seen a car before or ridden in a car before, have some kind of an expectation when they see a car and it depends on what they know. could even depend on the type of car (if they get to ride around in a minivan a lot and they LOOOVE it like mine, ANY minivan seems to be a GOOD thing...) a dog that is scared to ride in a car, for which I had one in my dog training class once, he would run and keep his tail between his legs. what if the dog had never seen a car before ? would it depend on his or her temperament ? we know border collies like to bite the tires of a moving car especially when it goes at the very inviting "escaping sheep" speed of about 30 miles per hour.. when i had recently adopted my border collie, she got away from me on a hiking trail, went to the highway and got into a nice lady's car who stopped for her to take her to safety. so she is a bit of a hitch hiker... so much for anecdotal car behaviour for which I cannot see a pattern that would generally apply to dogs cats deer...but happy to be enlightened.

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Christine Stump A Chump

Diagrams...good! Kevin, your concern for your readers is noted and appreciated. For those of us who are emotionally/mentally challenged it is a struggle foah shoah, but when highly motivated it's still very doable/digestible even though it takes us a bit longer. So it's all good, no worries‼♥☺ Still lookin' forward to The New Book-Your Dog is Your Mirror. I also was wondering what happened to your Quantum Canine Media Gallery on Fact8. They seem to have disappeared! :( Is there another place where they can be accessed? I've been there this week and the only episodes available were #s 17-18. Any suggestions? I like to listen to them at work, it eases the boredom! LOL

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Christine Stump A Chump

So then, Kevin, hearkening back to a prior reference to Stark Trek, what you are doing/proposing could, in fact, be referred to as "The Undiscovered Country"‼ LOL

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Heather Stump A Chump

I agree with Christine that diagrams are great, because if you read a term and then see what it points to on a diagram, it smooths out some of the tangential thinking about stuff not related to the main idea, so at least the main idea can be looked at and the definitions/diagrams updated upon critical inspection if necessary. I don't know how to post diagrams here but I could make some for discussion purposes.

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kbehan Stump A Chump

Very good, I hadn't thought of that, and that's even more revealing about what I'm driving at because it gets us right away to the connection between neotony and sexuality, however because this behavior is more subject to misinterpretation in mainstream science I'm looking for what the dog does before it might get around to that.

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kbehan Stump A Chump

That is 100% correct presuming that I have interpreted the precise way in which you are using the terms, which I think I have and reading these words helps me realize how difficult a specialized jargon can be for my readers, so sorry about that. If I was a better writer I would be able to say things more clearly and simply, but some scientist once cautioned, "If you say it too simply, it is simply wrong." The reason I prefer terms of science is that they are the most accurate because they carry the least amount of intellectual "charge." After this exercise I'm going to post an article that will hopefully help you see the model in its entirety and put the little things that dogs do into their proper significance. But before we can get to that, we still have to isolate the specific behavior I'm looking for when you drive into your driveway and find either a dog, cat or deer standing in the way. The distinction between the responses of the dog versus the other two gives us an important clue to emotion as the basis of a networked-intelligence and so I want to begin from there.

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Christine Stump A Chump

Dogs always pee on tires...

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Heather Stump A Chump

Kevin, I would like to translate into my own words your model of how mammals come to to "feel" both their species-specific waveforms and their own individual waveform within that species-specific waveform, via the "booting up" process of the various bodily systems at birth (specifically the CNS and ENS). ie, specifics of how an animal "feels like itself." THen also get more clear about how exactly it is that information (emotional energy) is communicated via the individual waverform over the "multiple (virtual) channels of communication" inside the animal that enable internal communication between different bodily systems. And then as forms are encountered (things, littermates, mother), the CNS perceives these forms via being "displaced" (disconnecting CNS from ENS) in discrete amounts based on the perceived predatory-ness of the form (induced displacements), forming over time a continuum of "form-induced-displacement values" that are stored as physical memories in the emotional battery whenever emotional energy is blocked from traveling via the individual waveform because the animal could not find a way to make contact with the form and thus "conduct" (resolve) emotional energy (there has to be a virtual transformer in there between them, to cause the induction, but that is clear to everyone because it is personally verifiable). So as forms are encountered, and induced displacements register with the CNS, there is an immediate body-mind state induced, which triggers physical memories in the battery of similar intensity. The animal thus always gets a chance to resolve stuff in its emotional battery, and as the emotional energy is conducted/flows within the animal, the animal learns, perfects (is informed, the waveform carries the information) how to relate to that form. The animal always gets a chance to be paralyzed, too (ie, have an emotional collapse, hey, I am very familiar with that sensation of falling and utter dread), if the physical memory triggered has a form-induced displacement value that is at or OVER the place on the continuum where it's earliest physical memories were formed (e.g., the mother rolling it over or knocking it down (literally making it fall) as a pack-related upper limit on the group's ability to inflict damage within the group in static moments). Thus I would say the car, with respect to the cat and deer, are both going to have their most intense/early physical memories triggered, will feel accelerated in a way that will prevent them from conducting that much emotional energy through their bodies (they don't engage in the same sort of ritualized hunting play as dogs, so they will not perceive fast-moving objects as "preyful" where a dog will). They will have an "emotional collapse". The dog probably won't if it has been raised in a normal, healthy dog-way with access to littermates, hasn't been hit by a car in the past, etc. So I would like to explore those things in m ore detail, but the QUESTION is, what if the mother did not roll her cubs, is there really a danger that the cubs would get strong enough to take her down, and why is this something you would worry about, I am not seeing the REASON to worry about it relative to the stress that is caused by the emotional collapse.

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